Mum recovering from massive stroke - I'm exhausted

Sorry to hear your m has had a 2nd stroke. That might go some way to explain her current level of awareness.

A positive that she opened her eyes for 6 minutes today. That sounds like a little bit of progress. Even though she isn’t responding to commands keep talking to her, squeezing her hand etc. We were told with my dad that he could still hear us even if there was no response.

I’d advise to keep well away from Google. We all do it but it always gives worst case & generalises too. Everyone is different & it’s best to just take one day at a time & see what happens.

One thing I learnt early on after my stroke is that patience is needed in bucket loads.

Best wishes

Ann x

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Still here with you. Slow responses, as my time is quite different here, but no less caring about how you and your family are faring.

Hang in there, dear. Ann @Mrs. 5K is correct in advising you to keep treating mom as if she is hearing you. Keep talking to her and holding her hand, perhaps massage her feet and legs a bit, if there isn’t reason not to. My family and friends, once they were allowed would sit with me and hold my hand, pray ‘with’ me, sing my favorite songs, talk to each other just like we were gathering at a reunion. I could hear them much of the time, when I wasn’t deep in sleep, even when I was not responding. I loved all of it. I felt so very loved during that time, even through pain, fear, worry… I hope you feel the love from here.

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I am so sorry you’re going through this.

My mum had a massive Hemorrhagic stroke 3 weeks ago and recently a ischemia one without even regaining consciousness.
It is hard watching them suffer and feeling so helpless.
It’s rich coming from me cos all I do on here is vent and be angry but take some heart and courage in all the positive signs your mom has shown so far . Please .
I’m not good at writing cos I’m alway blabbering tearing up when I’m on here or any time really .
As you know by now it’s all ups and downs , mainly downs so wait for the next up! :heartpulse:

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DeAnn , and any one who can shed some light ?

My mum’s infection markers went down and fevers stop so she they were planning to stop the antibiotic but last night she spiked to 39.7 .

They are baffled and think it’s prob the brain failing to regulate the body temperature but same time she should have done this in the early days so to be them they can’t understand what’s going on .

Anyone had unexplained temperatures and found the reason?

How do I tag people ? And I think I replied to the wrong thread earlier .

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Just put @ immediately before a person’s name to tag them into a conversation.

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Not a doctor, remember, however, yes I had this issue as well. It was the MSSA. What they did at that time to help me was a) ice packs in strategic places b) fans my family brought in that run on batteries c) cultures of the MSSA to decide on a different strain of antibiotic.

I had 8 weeks of the new antibiotic intravenously, after having already had 4 weeks with the other. An infectious disease specialist team came to see me to determine all of this.

I hope this helps.

I will keep as close an eye as possible so I can see if there is anything I might be helpful with.

Love to you and yours.

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Hey,

They said no to fans as it will spread infection ?

I still bought some cooling patches for her forehead despite them saying no . They were putting on wet tissues.
I did noticed her gown all wet under arm and noticed the ice packs .

I imagine mum burning up esp the head area. Before the storm she alway complained about feeling feverish, then hot and cold and this is is like the worst version of existing symptoms she lived with .

Just waiting to go see her now.

Hope you’re well as well as you can be . Much much love :heartpulse:

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They said it’s definitely something to do with the brain cos her infection markers aren’t coming down .

I’m gonna ask about the H thing you mentioned but I have an ugly feeling the second ischemia stroke just made it all worse as it’s in the central part.
Thank you for your reply and that little quip at the beginning; did make me chuckle.

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I need to get some support to prove to work I’m not losing my mind and seeking all the resources available so I don’t get the sack for all my absences!

Having my own heart disease and other medical issues already has me in the red with work so they’ll do anything to get rid of me

Balancing bills and a possibly dying mother ? Oh life!

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So much to deal with when one is least able to deal with it! But you will. One way or another, you will work it out. And as you do, I hope you will look back and see how very strong and capable you truly are. None of this is an easy feat, and I am guessing you have had some other not so easy to overcome issues in the past as well. Hang in there.

Possibly the hospital or one of the doctors can help with the ‘proof’ thing, or maybe your own GP. I have never had to show proof for an employer, so no experience with that.

I hope very soon there will be some more positives to be seen, heard or felt. Holding you in the light.

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Dear DeAnn,

I just walked out of London hospital in anger cos my siblings and I couldn’t agree on this new decision we have to make for mum which is should the doctors re-intubate her if she fails after the extubation which will take place next week.

Because my mum will have massive deficit as the brain damage is so bad they are saying no to re-intubation as adding to her suffering plus of what she said that she wouldn’t want a life living like a stroke victim ( her Bil had a stroke and)

Is there anyone who can add hope to this intubation business ? Please.

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I can’t give you hope I’m afraid. My Mum was in a similar position to yours in 2010 after 3 strokes. My brothers and I decided that my Mum would have hated to lose her dignity and we didn’t want her to see out her life in pain. She was an incredibly strong woman, loved her independence and on that basis we let her go. I realise the horrible position you find yourself in and I feel for you but are you thinking of her or yourself. Sorry if that is not what you want to hear and it is the hardest thing losing your Mum but you do find peace afterwards knowing they are in a better place and it enables you to move on. I know that’s what my Mum would have wanted. I hope I haven’t added to your troubles but this was my experience.

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Re-intubating increases the risk of hypotension and hypoxia. So naturally, the weaker the patient the greater that risk is.
If the doctors have left it up to the family to decide, then there’s as much risk either way and non of it good for your mum if oxygen supply to the brain is reduced.
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Your mum is not a game of tug of war, her children fighting over her life is not what she would want, is it!? Hasn’t she suffered enough for you all. I know you love your mum so very much but how much more do you want her to suffer for you until you are ready to accept. Some things are out of everyone’s hands, including the doctors now by the sounds of it. You all need to start thinking what is good for your mum now, what gives her peace, what gives her the least amount of suffering. And I’ll pray you find that peace for her :pray: :people_hugging:

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@Lily3 my heart goes out to you & your siblings. It’s an awful position to be in. You really do now need to make decisions based on what is best for your mum. That might not be the same as what you / your siblings want. If your mum would not want to go through all that then my advice is to spend your time with her saying all the things you want to to her & making the most of that time. You don’t want to have any regrets if the worst should happen but equally you don’t want your mum to come through it and know that you’ve been so angry and all falling out.

It is one of the most difficult things you’ll ever have to do and i hope you all find the strength to do what is right for your mum. Only you her family will know her wishes. You also don’t want the drs to make that decision for you which i guess they will if you can’t decide as a family.

Sending you all the strength you need at this time.

Best wishes

Ann x

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You didn’t. Thank you for your reply. And I’m sorry what you and your mother endured .

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She’s already in hypotension and today blood in urine.

My brain knows the answer but this convoluted heart.

Thank you for your reply

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I know just what you are going through, it’s been 21yrs since we had to let our mum go, 6yrs since my husband’s dad went and we still have it all to go through for my husband’s mum who has cancer. It’s the hardest thing to do, letting go. When is the right time to give up the fight. I can only pray that your mum takes that decision out of your hands as my mum did in the end. Just don’t let this tear your family apart, you all need each other right now :pray:

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I believe everyone has given you a very honest as well as very understanding response. @clibbers1 will be closest to my response. You might remember my mention of it in the past.

I can honestly tell you that I would have been fine and with the exception of not being here for my daughters and grandson, actually welcomed whatever comes next. I cannot say how your mom would feel, but I was very tired. I am still very tired, of fighting to make life better, and easier to deal with the day to day.

I have recovered very much, but am in no way near what I was before. Some of that is great, some of it not so good. I hate to be honest right now, because someone will likely come along to chide my lack of fighting spirit as depression. It isn’t at this point. It is more of a yearning for something I think will actually come later, as well as a fatigue from almost 60 years of fighting for a good life. My life has been filled with love, but the effort has worn me out. I am happy with what I have done in this life to accomplish the care and love that have always been important to me.

I was intubated for long term twice, and short term with some surgeries. It is very unpleasant, it is very scary, and for me, it was painful, possibly due to the damage it did to my pharynx and vocal cords. After the first time I nearly signed to disallow further intubation until they told me I would not be able to have the surgeries I needed if I signed it.

I am certain, when they removed it a second time, had I not been able to breathe on my own with only a little trouble (could be controlled with oxygen mask or forced oxygen- can’t remember what that is called), the doctors would have cut off another try regardless of my family’s wishes. However, my family understood, I did not like intubation and did not want it further unless absolutely necessary. The inferred, correctly, that for surgery I was willing, but I did not want to be vegetative, or ‘locked in’ (here thinking and feeling but unable to move). I realize there are many people who live like that, and actually have lovely lives, but I have had enough life to know, I likely wouldn’t be one of them.

Your lovely mother has an awful lot going against her. The plural strokes, the MRSA, the intubation, appears her kidneys may be shutting down or she has infection in the urinary tract? My guess is she is becoming more and more tired. I did also go through 16 bouts of dialysis. That is long days that are so draining, the fatigue is not even comparable to the extreme fatigue of stroke, which is already horrendous. I wouldn’t want to do that again, so there would have to be a good chance the kidneys would work again before I would allow it.

I am trying to give you a picture of what it feels like to actually experience these things to actually give you an idea of what you are asking her to deal with.

All I can do is cry while I am typing because I don’t want to say these things to you, and I don’t want you to feel the hurt, pain, sadness, but no one can stop that for you, no matter how much we all want to.

When they remove the intubation next we, I hope all decisions are made for you, so you never have to look back and wonder if you made the right one.

The only way that will really happen is if she fails to breathe on her own, or she does breathe on her own and hopefully begins responding in other ways. She likely won’t be able to speak for a while.

I am sitting here, reliving the times I have sat with someone who is passing, trying to find anything helpful for you, if she does not breathe on her own. As in everything else, everyone is different, but most often the last breath almost seems like a sigh of relief. If that happens, and it will at sometime, you will never be prepared for it, so don’t bother trying.

But what you will be is able to muddle through, able to navigate this world even though you would prefer to do it with her. You will be okay. You will figure out how to do what you need to do at the same time as being who you are.

I don’t know exactly why I feel some kind of kindred with you, perhaps your young age near my own daughters, your mom’s similar struggle as my own, but I do feel it. I just want to hold you as I would one of my daughters, in a long, loving, warm hug and assure you it will all be okay. And it will. No matter what happens-Nothing will be the same, but it will be alright.

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@DeAnn
@EmeraldEyes

Hope you all been well.

Had a question .

Mum’s eyes are bloodshot red and even on the outside around the eye lids.

She nods her head when asked if eye pain but can’t tell if she’s understanding the question .

Has anyone experienced this or shed some light?

Doctors don’t know and waiting on ophthalmology which we know can take days .

Thank you

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I’m sorry Lily, none of us are doctors here and eye redness can be caused by any number of conditions including Infection, blood pressure issues, Glaucoma, Allergy, Dryness, to name but a few, and all treatable. But it really is down to ophthalmology to diagnose exactly what is going on in order to get her the correct treatment I’m afraid.

I remember my mum having very red eyes once, lids included. And even though they looked very angry and sore, she actually said they weren’t!
That turned out to be an allergic reaction to cement dust in the air coming from a local building site.

That’s a best case scenario for you, but your mum has been having infections so this could be related.

I’m going to ask a really stupid question here. Your mum wasn’t wearing contacts at the time of her stroke that everyone has forgotten about? I’ve never had them myself so have no idea if they could be missed. I do know my hubby has lost his up under his eyelids and had to fishing for them :grimacing:

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