Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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There are a number of electrical devices which interact with the vagus nerve, Trace. I am a total fan of the vagus nerve, mainly interacting with it during my qigong meditation. 80% of the vagus nerve is afferent, and only 20% works the other way around, but I am in touch with it in a big way, and it’s a whole new universe to explore. Access is through breathing / then the 5 yin organs ; lungs, heart, liver, kidneys, spleen. I cannot access my spleen yet, but I can make my tummy gurgle / digest at night by using meditation that helps lower the Chi (Qi) down towards the belly button (lower dantian) ; more accurately our centre of gravity. I wish I had learnt this 20 years ago!!

I recommend any and all research about the vagus nerve. Good luck, Roland

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That sounds fascinating! I shall certainly be looking into it.
Trace

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I haven’t heard of this before but it sounds very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Regards Sue

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Hi @Trace57

Yes there’s been a lot of developments in the field
See Neuromodulation (medicine) - Wikipedia

The vagus nerve or cranial nerve is also clearly relevant to much of the CNS[1] function

A cautionary note is that while the two are undoubtedly important and most probably will be the base of useful interventions

Those with a commercial interest use the possibility to make claims that will span the range of reliable to not

If you’ve need and can afford to buy speculatively (and then let us all know) there is potential for improvements in stroke outlooks - something truly to be wished for :slight_smile:

Caio
Simon
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  1. Central Nervous System ↩︎

  2. (The Stroke Improvement Group are a loose affiliation of people who believe that stroke care can be significantly improved if institutions would listen to us and embrace digital community) ↩︎

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I too have never heard of it but would be intetested to hear how you get on with it if you do go for it.

I notice it says about lowering your heart rate. This would be a concern for me as my resting heart rate is already low and wouldn’t want to lower any more so would definitely be interested in the affect on your heart rate.

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Thanks @SimonInEdinburgh
I’m thinking about it but will investigate more deeply. It’s a lot of money to fork out for something that might not work. If I decide to go ahead, I’ll let you all know😊

Trace
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If I go ahead, I’ll let you all know @Mrs5K :blush:

Trace
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Another story Trace,

I had been working on Chinese Qigong / meditation for a year, and certainly realized the vagus nerve was responsible for sending signals to and from the brain. This is thanks to the fact that I had read 50% Western medicine & health books; and 50% Eastern methods, such Qigong, Tai Chi etc. So I was on my treadmill and decided to do an experiment; after a few minutes my pulse was close to 130 and I decided to do an intense meditation, and take control of my heart; when I opened my eyes I couldn’t believe it; the treadmill monitor plummeted 125 / 120 / 115 / 110 / 105 / 100 / 95 quickly, far quicker than anything I had ever seen before! In fact I stopped because I got scared and thought it would never stop descending. That was concrete external proof that my meditation was working… I had a feeling it was, but this really confirmed that I had control of my heart. I have never seen this rapid descent since, but if I had good focus I’m sure I could repeat the stint, if I wanted to.

No point to the story; just to say that the vagus nerve has tremendous power… power even to do harm, if misused !!

Good luck, ciao, Roland

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Your entering the realms of a Yogini - It’s very powerful how the mind can affect the body and vice versa
I suspect the control you have is not universally available to even those who try in a dedicated fashion for a long time.

Very well done and maybe you can tell the PNS to behave as bid-able the CNS?

Caio
Simon
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That’s an encouraging story, Roland! I can bring my BP down a lot with deep breathing. One day, some years ago, I had an excruciating headache and as an experiment, thought I’d do a stint on my cross trainer to see if I could shift it. It took about half an hour but it worked!

Trace
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What I have learned is down to necessity, Simon. We all have 20% of our vagus nerve available to us to use as we please. The access I have is down to hard study and meditation everyday for 2 years. Having said that, I’m nobody special, with no particular skill. My curiosity is very high though.

Roland

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Well, at £600 a pop, I’d probably err toward the natural stimulation as suggested by Roland, but I did a quick glance around the NHS pages and it seems to be part of their tech program being used to treat epilepsy, depression and cluster headaches. So, who knows, we might be able to get referrals from GPs in the near future but for myself, I would need to ask what I would be using it for. I think, generally, stimulating the brain and body is fine but if it isn’t addressing a specific symptom, then it may be time spent hunting ghosts.

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I emailed Nurosym. Here’s their reply:


But I’ve got a feeling the reply might be AI generated🤔

Still thinking about it. Could be worth a try, especially with the 30day refund guarantee. Will ask my physio on Friday if she knows anything about it or has any thoughts.

Trace
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Hi guys are the following standard meds for stroke victims:
Cerebrolysin which I receive intravenous every 8 hours from a nurse this finishes in a week
Atorvastatin 80mg
Clopidogrel 75mg
Citicoline
Sulodexide
Telmisartan 40 mg
I have a consultation today and will discuss my medication requirements
I will glad when my IV medication finishes
Hope everyone has a great weekend
Chiz

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I just answered your other post about medication.

No these aren’t all normal In the NHS maybe because of funding? They are all medications related to cardiovascular conditions which of course includes stroke

Is an anti dementia and other neurological conditions treatment

Is another neurological conditions intervention intended to promote a healthy brain and used with Parkinson’s etc

Is anti coagulant similar in intent to my clopidogrel

Is normally cited as an alternative to amlodipine

Caio
Simon
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Many thanks Simon,had a good day yesterday. Had good feedback from my consultant today,promising progress.my balance seems a lot better I can walk upstairs down is a bit slow

Me and my wife just came in from morning walk,from last night improving well almost walking unaided,almost got my left had fully back x

Had scrambled eggs and hienz baked beans for breakfast reminded me of UK
Have a great weekend,may surprise you soon x

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That’s great news :frowning:

I’m still plodding away at my right hand and scrambled eggs have never tasted right since my stroke - They taste heavily of saccharine now.

I would regard your consultant’s promise of progress as as meaningless as their normal pronouncements of doom and gloom. Progress is in response to a lot of factors including your motivation. They can express the potential, They can attempt to motivate but they cannot in good faith make a promise.

Look out for the step back that accompanies the two steps forwards. When it arrives if you are disheartened by it then you are judging your progress via too narrow a window and you should take a slightly longer turn view to remove the oversignificance of a decompensation

Caio
Simon
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Good to hear you’re progressing well. Keep up the good work- it must be encouraging to get good reports from the consultant too.

My breakfast was poached eggs today…courtesy of hubby :grin:

Enjoy the rest of your weekend & look forward to hearing of more progress soon.

Ann

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Thankyou Ann,have a great week

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