Angry and feel unheard

Hey all, so first time writing here, but need to vent as i feel alone and unheard (not believed)

So my story begins back in 2001!I was 24, with 2 kids under 5 a few months into a new rship after a tumultuous marriage and life was going good. Anyway roll back to 2000, i went to the gp as i needed checked over (domestic violent episode hence leaving marriage) and asked about changing my pill while there, and was put back on one id previously been on when i was 17, i told him about the previous issues with it (dizziness and black out spells) and was told “youre older now, persevere” hmmmm i thought, but he was a dr so i listened to him (didnt have internet access at home back then so…) However approx a year later i started having numbing to face,out of no where, which rapidly went down my right side, so the point i couldnt move that side of my body, i fell over at one point, luckily when i got to the top of the stairs, it had came on that fast. Absolutely zero pain at all. This happened every day over a week before i got to see a gp. He told me id had a series of TIA’s, i didnt have a clue what they were and when he said id have to stop the pill i was concerned about that (i was young) he said if i took one more i risked having a full blown stroke and might not be so lucky! I remember walking back to my parents house, with my then bf, numb and confused and generally not comprehending how…anyway i stopped taking the pill and life went on.

I relocated to Scotland and life was going good. I had 2 more kids and became a single parent again. One night, in Feb 2008, my 2 toddlers were in bed and i was doing my usual routine and boom, it happened. No pain, before during or after, but the numbness etc, this time accompanied by speech and language issues. I tried to write something to my daughter but couldnt, couldnt hold the pen, had to hold my right hand with my left to do so and the word i was thinking of is not what worked its way onto the paper. I was scared. I was alone with 4 kids under 10 and didnt know what to do. I dont remember much of that night or how long the numbness lasted but the next morning i still was confused, my right side numb and weak still, so i called nhs 24, a new thing at the time, who told me to go to my gp straight away. Which i did. That is when i found out the gp from 2001 had lied! He put in my notes that i had a migraine attack! I was shocked, angry, confused and just didnt know what to do. How the heck would i know what a TIA was, why would he have immediately told me to stop taking any combined pill etc etc. I was sent away and told to come back in a week if symptoms hadnt improved!!!I was stunned, not just at being sent away but at the big lie that was then affecting my treatment. As you might have guessed a week later, no improvement. So i went back to the gp, where i was told again it was a migraine but theyd send me for tests etc. It took months for tests to begin,Reflex tests, brain scans, it was june/july before a heart scan was even done! I heard nothing back, even asking the gp and nothing! 2 yrs later i get an appt for the heart clinic only to be told heart tests were normal. I was not amused, 2 yrs to tell me scans i had 4 months after the fact were normal!I asked about brain scan results to be told " the left side of the brain shows slight abnormalities, but that could be normal for you", to which i claimed and it could also be signs of a stroke given it was the right side of my body that was affected! It took over a year for me to get over that incident and there they were still being dismissive. I had another couple of minor episodes over the years, but i didnt bother to go see a gp, what was the point, to be almost scoffed at, eyes rolling back in their heads and patronised when id tell them the dr lied??

So, 13th September 2024, which was a Friday, so ill never forget. I had a lovely day with my 2 youngest girls,who where then 19 and 20, when suddenly again, i got to a seat quickly and waited for it to pass, no pain, no warning nothing. It eventually did and i went home. I had a date that night and had told the guy what had happened that day. Hed had a stroke previously himself so was concerned and instead of going on our date, he took me straight to the hospital. I said wasnt worth it as it had passed. He insisted. Well within minutes of me getting through the door it happened. Right in front of the drs, i was rushed through and within an hour i was treated for a stroke!Xray came back no clots in brain luckily, but i was kept in. Overnight woken every 15 minutes, then 30 minutes until about 6am :confused: My bp kept dropping so i HAD to drink copious amounts of fluid etc. BUT the next day the dr came around and said there is no mention of tia’s in my file even from 2008!They still put migraine! I was livid. So he said because i made “such a quick recovery” they were downgrading it to a tia, i was given medication for life and told id be sent for an mri on the monday, if it came back clear id be going to Neurology (nothing said about if it didnt) and i discharged. I had the scan and 2 weeks later my gp called me and said i needed another scan asap as new lesions had been found and to call the hospital up and chase them for one. So i did, no one had any record of me needing another scan!I got through to one dept and the woman said she was just typing up a letter for me, to say stop taking the medication. My condition had been downgraded after discussion between the dr id seen at the hospital and neurology, to a migraine! I was and still am absolutely fuming! So what are the “new lesions on the mri then” Oh that could be from the scanner itself, we dont know…ermmmmm so what IF they arent from the scanner, either way should a new one not be ordered? How can they discuss me, without seeing me or following up with me? What about neurology?as dr said if nothing found then…nothing.

I went back to my drs and pleaded with them to sort it out, my speech wasnt back to normal, my memory either and the fatigue was unreal etc etc…my speech got so bad at one point i could barely string a sentence together without a stutter/stammer, i developed tics and my word recollection :confused: I cried to the gp about it, again pleading for help, i was scared and my depression was suffering by this point too. She said she would refer me for a scan with dye…I had to self refer myself to speech therapy, but took time away for a severe chest infection, in which time my speech improved but still have memory issues, and speech and language isnt back to normal, especially when i am in stressful situations, the stammer comes back, something i have never ever suffered from. Almost a year on and i am still waiting neurology and the scan with dye!!
Id asked the gp manager to make notes on my record during lockdown, giving her a very long written letter of reasons etc etc and yet nothing was done, ive explained to so many drs about the lie, yet nothing was done.

My treatment was shoddy at best (apart from that initial night in Sept 2024). I do not believe for one second, i have been that unfortunate to have thee most rarest type of migraine ever several times over the years let alone once (note ive had migraines all my life, so i know the diff…even silent migraines dont do this!) I am hurt and angry and self helping myself (hence improvement in my speech, researching etc)

I have had decades to research everything. But I am lost. Not with the info but with the help and recognition of what was said and everything that followed and continues to be to this day (even writing this has taken time, due to my word finding, but i got there and hopefully not too many mistakes). Who can i turn to when none of the professionals will even listen to me or entertain what i am saying to them? :frowning:

Anyway sorry for the long “rant” i just needed to get it off my chest. If you made it this far, thankyou. If you dont believe me, please dont be nasty (ive had enough negative comments to last a lifetime)

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Hi @scotschik - welcome to the community.

Well done for sharing your thoughts with us. You can be angry or whatever emotion you wish to display (within the guidelines of membership of this forum) and I can assure you you will never be unheard on this forum. We hear you and we share with you.

Hopefully, you fell better for getting [some] things off your chest. I believe you and I am sure anyone else reading your post will believe - there is no reason for us not to not believe you.

Be assured, nasty comments are not allowed on this forum and are totally not tolerated, so if you feel that someone is being nasty, you are entitled to report them.

Wishing you all the best.

Namaste|
:pray:

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I’m frankly shocked at the way you’ve been treated, @scotschik, and can understand why you’re so angry about it. Whatever went wrong in the past, though, what really matters is getting the help that you need now. There are many wise a sympathetic voices here on the forum to give you help and advice, but you might want to contact the Stroke Association helpline as well.

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Hi @scotschik

Welcome to the community, I’m sorry to read of everything that you’ve been through. It sounds like you’ve been treated awfully.

I would definitely suggest giving our Stroke Support Helpline:0303 3033 100 a call to discuss everything you’ve been through, they may be able to help with this and point you in the direction to get some more help.

I hope you’ll find this community helpful and please do use this space to talk about any feelings you have, everyone is heard here.

Anna

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@scotschik Hi & welcome to the community. I too am shocked at how you have been treated. Feel free to vent away on here. Hopefully getting it out has made you feel a little better.

If you haven’t already I would consider making a complaint & if it was me I would write to my MP too. MPs letters usually trigger a fast response.

The Citizens Advice Bureau may also be able to help with what you can do to follow things up.

Wishing you all the best

Ann

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Hello @scotschik - Having read your post in its entirety, it seems to me you might want to lodge an official complaint and the compliant might be negligence from NHS and doctors.

I am surprised how long this has been going on and why no one seems to be listening and why things are being incorrectly documented. How you go about proving this is not something I can think of right now, as unless you have documentary evidence of what was said when it would be your word against the documented information on your record (which you say is incorrect).

NHS PALS is where you can lodge your complaint about the NHS treatment you have had.

You can get help from Citizens Advice and you can involve your local MP to look into your case as mentioned by Ann @Mrs5K.

I guess the starting point would be what exactly it is you wish to get addressed and who you believe is responsible.

People will listen, but maybe you need help finding the right people to help you?

I wish you all the best.

:pray:

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@scotschik
I am so sorry you have had to go through so much and over such a long period. The way you have been treated is appalling and you have every right to be angry and vent.

Whilst I have mostly had good experiences with the NHS over the years, I too was misdiagnosed with migraine and an inner ear problem called labyrinthitis when I had my stroke (twice in 3 days).

The 1st time at the hospital because there was no sign of the stroke on the CT scan and the facial palsy and dizziness and severe nausea improved after I was treated with clopidogrel over night.

Then 3 days later when it happened again and I saw my GP, because I could barely stand with the dizziness and nausea He diagnosed me with labyrinthitis and I was sent home with anti sickness pills. Six hours later I was in A&E because I couldn’t swallow and my left side had gone numb.

Thankfully they treated me immediately and I had an MRI which confirmed my stroke. Thanks to my GP’s misdiagnosis and the delay in getting treatment I believe I have been left with more deficit than if I had been sent straight to hospital.

When I Spoke to the community stroke nurse about my misdiagnosis, she told me it happens too often with patients being diagnosed with labyrinthitis and migraines by GP’s because not all strokes fit the FAST campaign that everyone knows about through TV ads, especially the rarer strokes like mine (right sided Lateral medullary infaction).

I too was very angry with my misdiagnosis and I am still mulling over whether to make an official complaint. But I also know that DR’s are not infallible and this leads me to think that GP’s need to be reminded through regular refresher training of the different types of strokes and how they present themselves.

I was told by my stroke consultant at the hospital that my type of stroke is very rarely seen by doctors and asked if I would consent to being used to test and educate junior doctors during their exams. To which I wholeheartedly agreed, because if I can stop just one more person having the same experience it will have been worth it.

I hope that the replies from others on this forum have helped, there are a lot wiser heads on here than me. But I feel your pain and you are not alone.

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Thank you for your kind words. Funnily enough i am in contact with my MP about other issues and asked him today if he could help with this. I am awaiting his response. So hopefully he will get them to pull their finger out.
Thank you again x

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Thank you. Yes i have thought about lodging a complaint, but 2 reasons i havent 1. until i have a proper diagnosis and help then what would i be complaining about? what negligence, if they are saying migraine :confused: and 2. if i lodge a complaint i dont want it affecting any potential treatments :confused: i know they cant not treat me, and the treatment so far has been well below par but…

I am waiting to hear back from my MP who is helping me with other issues. Im hopeful he will help. I just want my record corrected. And the tests to be done and scans redone. Same with other genetic tests (my family have a long history of one thing that is genetic and they are refusing to do the tests needed, saying they have done all they can, no they havent, if they did the tests it could explain the stroke/tias plus other things)
As for proof, well my then bf was with me, he is my youngests girls dad and he remembers that day, as when i had the episode in September my daughter told him i was in hospital and why and he said about my previous one - me and my ex havent spoken to each other in years so hed have no reason to lie either or why even remember that if it didnt happen. But yes that is it too, they are the pro’s one dr against 2 patients. I guess i have my consistency, my story has never ever changed in the entire time. If you tell the truth you dont have to have a good memory as Judge Judy says haha heck even with my memory issues this is something ill never forget. If i could get him pulled over the coals for his lie then i would but its a bit late now. But in a perfect world id like him to admit his “error” and the fact it had a massive consequence on my subsequent treatment.

Anyway its late now and i must try sleep…thank you for your advice, much appreciated. :slight_smile:

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Oh wow, that is scarey too isnt it. Yes thats it with me too. Mine was very sudden, absolutely zero pain. The symptoms came on and developed one after the other as quick as clicking your fingers. Unlike migraines that take time to develop and and come with pain (except silent migraines with aura, but again the take time to develop and dont leave lasting damage). Hemeplegic migraine can leave damage BUT that is extremely rare, so i must be the most unluckiest person ever if its happened once let alone a few times :confused:

I forgot to mention my touch sensitivity has changed as has my sense of smell. Before i could smell a gnats fart (sorry if not allowed to say that lol) and had asbestos hands, now…totally the opposite. I dont know if my heat sensitivity is “normal” now or not, but jees even picking up a cup of coffee without holding the handle now is ouchy :confused: (i dont like it, albeit probably safer for me)

For ages after id have nightmares of that night at the hospital too. Being told the Thrombolysis either, wont work, make matters worse or could potentially be fatal, but we need a decision now if you want it :confused: i cried as i said id have it but to do me a favour, if i didnt make it, tell my girls i love them…even now it breaks my heart and im crying, to think i went through that to then be cast aside like nothing…its all very..confusing.

Anyway i best try get sone sleep, as its late. I hope you are doing much better now. Thank you for your kind words xx

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Will they still speak to me without an official diagnosis? i wasnt sure if they would, hence why i didnt call them.

Thank you, i will give them a call this week.

Thanks to all, who have replied and shared stories and thoughts. I feel validated. Thankyou

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Hi @scotschik

Absolutely, they will still speak to you. They may have heard similar stories to yours as unfortunately some people do get misdiagnosed.

I’m glad you’ve found it helpful to come on here and speak with others, please do keep us updated on how it all goes.

Anna

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Morning Anna

I certainly will. I’ll give them a call, but for now i need to sleep (put my back out 3 weeks ago and still in agony, waiting physio on Friday, zero sleep and an airport run this morning meant i couldnt take my pain meds last night :confused: it never ends with the health, always say to gp one more thing put me down lol)

Anyway thank you again…will update all soon i hope, even if with what the team or the mp have said :slight_smile:

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@scotshik That was dreadful/shocking how you were treated. I had similar to you, so have great empathy. I trust no one in the NHS. I also understand some people think they are wonderful and I respect that, but not for me. I have recovered to where I am currently at with the help of my chiropractor, my colleague at work who is a PT and sheer determination to prove all the NHS wrong. Good luck :four_leaf_clover:

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@scotschik - you have put up with so much for so long and I can’t imagine you might have done it. To carry on as long as you have - it’s not something I would want to do (and I am not suggesting you wanted to do it either).

Perhaps, now having started the ball rolling as it were, you can start addressing issues concerns as soon as they arise and not let them build into bigger issues.

Just as an example, if the GP is not listening to you, or giving advice you are not happy with, ask again, challenge but don’t accept and end up suffering. There are always things you can do - you can lodge complaints, you can change - change your GP (again not always easy as NHS GPs can be thin on the ground), but don’t just sit on it.

I hope you will get the results, help and support you need. “Ask and ye shall receive”

Take care.

:pray: :heart: :people_hugging:

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I have been asking for further testing, for them to do more, for them to chase up people and there is only so much they can do too. Example i have been fighting for 4 yrs to get further genetic testing, but genetics are refusing point blank to do them, despite physio and gp aggreeing with me without genetics intervention there is no hope of a diagnosis. With regards Septemeber incident its all i have done, im sure my go is sick of hearing from me.
Where i am i cant just pick and choose a gp surgery, you have to be with one in your post code area. I dont blame my current gp at all tbh, as they are the ones being left to pick up the pieces of the failed system before it (& the drs who have failed me in other places) The scan with dye, isnt down to the gp not requesting, its down to the hospital not doing their job in a timely manner. “Ask and thee shall receive” if only that were true, id not be here now.
So yes i have always been on the ball about things (since i got internet access & could research myself) its how i managed to get other issues addressed as i wouldnt give in until someone listened! Ive never been one for putting in complaints about this type of thing incase it affected my health care UNTIL now that is, hence why i have gone to my MP.

As for dont know how i have carried o for so long, believe me i have had moments in my life where i almost didnt carry on (if you know what i mean) the daily pain i suffer, the dismissals the not being heard, etc all have taken its toll at points. But i am here and that last September where the choice was almost taken from me was a wake up call to whats important in life and certainly made me more of a fighter too for sure. Im pretty sure my friends get sick of hearing about it all too haha but there will be one day i can finally sit back and relax, with diagnoses for everything and know i dont have to fight any more :slight_smile: I can try to get on with life without worrying if it happens again etc :slight_smile:

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You are an amazing person and you have my total and utter respect.

I doubt if your friends tire of hearing about what you have been through. In fact I suspect, like me they also totally and utterly respect you.

I am pleased you have acknowledged the wake up call and for being the stronger for it. I think you will soon see the day when you can sit back and relax. Perhaps you can start right now by getting on with life and not worry about things, those that have already happened and those that may (or may not) happen in the future.

Life is too short and worrying gets you nowhere.

I am so proud to have met you and wish you all the best. You deserve some peace and happiness with all you have been through.

Take care.

:pray: :heart: :people_hugging:

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I think that this is something many people do i.e. refrain from complaining from fear of being “blacklisted” or unfairly treated. But in so doing, they continue to lose out since their issues are not known.

We put up with sub-standard service for sometime until it became unbearable. Then once we lodged our first complaint, as per the fear, we were “bullied” initially but we stood up and fought back. This actually resulted in a long back and forth and the bullying intensified but we had nothing to lose and so we kept going. In the end we actually got a result and we now have a service provider who has cared for us for the last three and a half years.

Unfortunately, these things can sometimes be time consuming and time is something many of us do not have.

Good to know you are now a more of a fighter and I am sure this will be good for you going forward.

Wishing you all the best.

:pray:

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Hi @IreneFC - this seems quite harsh to me :slight_smile:

I understand you’ve had a bad experience and note that you are aware some people think the NHS is wonderful and you respect that.

I am not sure how much exposure you have had with the NHS, and perhaps it is only a small amount which was so bad, you have strong negative feelings about it.

I am not necessarily a big fan of the NHS, and we have had our share of some very bad experiences, but I try to find some good in everything and because we have had to use the NHS quite a bit, I have met some very good individuals who have been supportive and empathetic even though “their hands were tied” and so they couldn’t help in the way they would have liked. For example, the “tick box” culture they are forced to use.

I thought I would share this with you and this forum, because I can honestly say that as bad as the NHS might seem, and in some cases it is very bad, all things considered it is not that bad and were it not for the NHS, I wouldn’t be sitting here writing this and have my Mum still with us after all she as had to endure.

Perhaps with time, your views might mellow?

I am aware that your view is your own and that you respect the views of others :slight_smile:

Take care.
:pray:

@maniB

You have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea how much I have experienced the NHS and their failings.
This topic is closed.
I have enough to deal with coping with stroke recovery.

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