Sorry to share

I’m sorry to share news that my mum is now under palliative care after multiple, repeated lung infections. We were hoping to get her back to standing to aid her lung health. But we’ve only just found out (one year after the PEG was put in) that there’s a connection between a PEG and aspiration: the PEG increases the risk of aspiration pneumonia. That might explain a few things! Why we weren’t told this by the stroke ward, I have no idea (but they did a lot which is inexplicable).

I’m so proud of my mum. We’ve been seeing more and more movement in her stroke affected limbs, after a successful home swallow test recently she has been on course for a video fluoroscopy., her cognition has been improving too.

Unfortunately - and we always knew this would probably happen at some point - the lung issue is bringing her battle to a close. It’s just happened sooner than we’d expected.

I’ve drawn so much strength from this group. You’ve helped me find solutions and focus on the small blessings.

Keep on fighting for yourselves and loved ones, folks. Stay strong.

:pray:

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So sorry for your mums situation.
But glad we have helped you. It is why I come here, the group has helped me do I am happy to pay it back.

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Hello EMG,

I am so sorry to hear this.
Wishing you and your Mum all the best.

Take care.
:pray:

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I really am so sorry to hear this. Your mum has been so strong in fighting this, it saddens me that she’s been beaten by a PEG, the very thing that was keeping her fed and alive :anguished_face:
Thinking of you and wishing you comfort and strength :people_hugging:

Lorraine

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I know! It’s nuts @EmeraldEyes

They’ve removed one of her meds lansoprazole which has been protecting her stomach lining and preventing reflux. We asked why they’d do that if reflux causes aspiration and they hurriedly suggested peptide or gaviscon as a replacement.

The hospital is not great. They’ve been ridiculously inconsistent throughout, unhelpful beyond the absolute basics, and as a family we’ve felt their ageism.

You just can’t battle against a system that has utterly failed. It’s been like plotting against the enemy to protect her - luckily we’re a smart family but others may not stand a chance.

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Hi @EMG72 so sorry to hear that your mum is now receiving palliative care. She has fought such a long tough battle and you are quite rightly very proud of her.

I’m sure she is very proud of having her strong determined daughter fighting her corner too :heart:.

Thinking of both of you at this difficult time and sending regards to you and your family.

Regards Sue

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Hi EMG - Having read your post and then having had a chance to think about what you said a bit more, I wonder if we might be missing a trick here.

Your Mum and my Mum have some commonalities and so I am very surprised that your Mum is experiencing these troubles, and they are being attributed to the PEG. It may well be the case that this is so, but I feel that we might be overlooking a few things.

My surprise stems from your previous update not so long ago when you informed us you had had some positive meetings with the stroke consultant and put them right about some of the things they had missed etc. You also informed us there was to be a follow-up consultation and review of the care plan etc. and all that was so very positive and encouraging. I was very pleased and excited at that point.

Your Mum is very strong and is doing very well aside from the infections. As I understand it, her overall stroke recovery has progressed well and her strength have improved significantly. This was expected to continue and with physio Mum would stand up and walk etc. To facilitate this, you have engaged private services to give Mum the best chance and the physio has been going very well.

I wonder if it has been going too well :slight_smile:

What I mean by that, is Mum may be doing [being asked to do] too much? Is it possible in the excitement of things picking up post the review with the consultant that the physio activity is a bit too intense for Mum?

We forget that she is elderly and may need more time to recover from intense activity or indeed any activity.

Recently there has been much talk on this forum about Fatigue and how it affects stroke survivors. I just wonder if this is the case with your Mum. Maybe she needs more rest time in between the physio sessions - there is no need to rush things, slow and steady is probably best. I say this because I remember when we were in a similar position and we were trying to get mu Mum to stand up. We did exactly what I am suggesting you [your Mum] might be doing and she (my Mum) was not having it. Mum is very clear about what is good for her and when we do things she is not happy with, she lets us know in no uncertain terms. So we had to step back, give her more time and when she was ready we resumed.

I could be wrong, but is it possible your Mum is working hard to please you and not remembering that it is her who has to decide how much and how far to go? Will she say stop! if she has had enough? My Mum will shout the house down :slight_smile:

One other thing which might also be a factor.
The Immune System - Her immune system may be being overworked and hence the infections?

I am thinking diet - with her being PEG fed, is she getting all the vitamins and minerals needed for a good healthy immune system?

We have had to give Mum probiotics (actimel) to help improve her gut health and adding probiotics made a big difference. Also multi-vitamins (Forceval).

Mum’s dietician has been fantastic and has made a huge contribution to Mum’s care especially with the challenges of being on a PEG feed.

Maybe you have already considered these things but if not, might be worth exploring.

We are on our own here - ageism has been against us all the way but we have done well. I don’t want to be overly optimistic or give you false hope, but I really am surprised by what has happened to your Mum and perhaps what I am suggesting may get her back on track.

In summary, things to consider:

  • Fatigue - check with Mum - work at her pace. Let her recharge. Slow and steady works best
  • Diet - check Mum is getting all the nutrients and minerals she needs. (We get Mum’s bloods checked regularly - every three months). Probiotics and multi-vitamins (must be PEG compatible)
  • Remember to challenge the healthcare professionals - ask why?. Why are you taking Mum off that medication? Why are you putting her on this medication? You know from experience, you and your Mum know what’s best for you and what works for you. The others are just (no disrespect) there to help. In reality they don’t want to do much as this is outside their comfort zone. They do not know how to care for someone on Mum’s condition.
  • Use (and insist on use of) PPE - nobody goes near Mum without face mask, gloves, protective shoe covers and aprons as appropriate. Sorry, but the viruses are still out there and we are not going to risk exposing Mum to them if we can avoid it and we can :slight_smile:

That’s pretty much it.

I really think your Mum’s infections can be managed. I hope I am not being too optimistic.

Both your Mum and my Mum are technically in palliative care, but we both know that in reality they are in DIY rehab do we not?

Wishing you and Mum all the best.

With love and hugs from my Mum.
:heart: :people_hugging:

Namaste|
:pray:

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@EMG72 so sorry to hear this news. Your mum has been doing so well & has come far further than they ever thought possible. Thanks to you & your determination.

I am sure your mum is as proud of you as you are of her.

If the battle is drawing to a close I hope that it is peaceful for her & that you can take comfort from knowing how much you helped her & supported her.

Sending you lots of strength.

Best wishes

Ann xxx

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Thanks as always for your thoughtful reply.

I didn’t realise your mum was in palliative care. Its been a while, no?

Mum’s now on amino acid supplements, we also have fibre supplement. But not sure if it’s made any difference as they only started last weekend. But now we know the PEG causes reflex we may need to reevaluate the format of the supplements (they’re in gel form).

They’ve also removed iron supplements saying it causes constipation but she hasn’t had constipation as yet.

You touch on an interesting point regarding slow progress. The physio did step up a little bit. And I’m sure it contributed to her latest ‘crash’. Otherwise weve been very careful indeed.

I take your point about the recent stroke review appointment. Why were they so positive then weeks later she’s in palliative? Unless palliative care provides a layer of care that’ll be of some value?

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Hi EMG - How are things going? Hopefully things have settled down a bit and your Mum is feeling comfortable.

I would suggest that if supplements have been removed without any reason e.g. the iron supplements being removed even though your Mum is not getting constipated, you should get them reinstated if they are helping. You may want to do a review of the medications and supplements and use those that help and ditch those that don’t. Your Mum would be a good judge of that and if she is communicating well then ask her to let you know.

My Mum has essentially been on palliative care since she had the stroke. They never gave her a chance and whatever she got was because we kept pushing and hassling but often this was too little too late. Had she been given rehab and other help as she deserved, she would be in a much better state of physical and mental health, but as often stated, the severity of the stroke and her age and later COVID all worked against her.

Whilst she is in palliative care, we have always tried to get some form of rehab to help her to live a better quality of life.

Mum has been amazing despite all the difficulties - her communications, the PEG, permanent catheter (now taken out), lack of physio, our ignorance and lack of knowledge etc. have not prevented her from demanding the best she can get.

At times we thought we were losing her because her behaviour or mood changed such that it looked as she was about to go, but that was a while back. Once we realised she was not quitting, we have had to try and do whatever we can and get whatever help we can to help her move forward. Sometimes she is so determined and insistent and annoyed that we are too thick to understand what she needs that she makes sure we know it.

I have no idea where she gets it from but she has amazing powers of recovery and energy reserves. Right now she has taken to improving her lung capacity by shouting long and hard. She holds her outbreath or “singing note” for so long, it is unbelievable - I can’t do that and I am supposed to be fit.

How has this happened?

I have to admit, whilst I am not surprised, she is here and doing what she is doing, I have no idea how she has done it. I am convinced it is down to her inner workings and her mental strength and ability to troubleshoot and work out solutions for herself. I wish I knew how to capture this and find some way of recording it so that it can be analysed and used by others in the future.

I can only say that we have allowed her to do what she wants and listened to us when she said she wanted us to stop. I think by working at her pace and doing things she wants (as best as we can understand) has allowed her to recover to the state she is in now. If anyone was to assess her now, they would be totally surprised how she can be the way she is (her meds, BP, oxygen levels etc. are all amazing for someone of her age and health co-morbidities).

We give her lots of cuddles and we tell her we love her loads and she reciprocates as and when she can :slight_smile:

We have sing songs and try to have laughing sessions when we can.

She is living proof that if you want to, you can.

I guess my message to you and your family is to listen to your Mum, ask her what she would like and work to her pace. Bear in mind her age and condition and as long as she is happy with her life, let her be.

Wishing you and your Mum all the best.

Namaste|
:pray:

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